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orallybi4cpl
Aug 31, 2010, 9:08 AM
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Violet Blue: Does bisexual fakery ruin it for the rest of us?

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After all the recent (and upcoming) hype about "bromance," the "Sex and the City" negativity about people who "should just pick a side," and recurrent media trendiness portraying bisexuality for its shock value, I want to post flyers all over San Francisco.

They'd read:

"MISSING: INVISIBLE BISEXUAL"


A couple years back at the gay porn awards at the Castro Theater, I wrote here about being hit on by a straight-identified, so-called "gay for pay" porn performer. And I say "so-called" because that is how he calls himself, not because I'm trying to say anything else about a dude who groped me in front of 300 gay men -- not out of attraction, but seemingly to prove a point to his male coworkers -- that he was indeed straight and gay only for pay, and not bisexual. It wasn't hot, it felt like bi-phobia and by extension, homophobia. The question is, when is bisexuality an agenda, and when is it a valid sexual orientation?

Personally, I blame the gays. No. I take that back. I blame the straight community, wherever they are -- oh, right, they're all around us like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers." Except now I think I hear Kinsey yelling at me from the cryogenics lab in my basement unintentionally defrosting in the current heat wave. The thing is, most people don't think that bisexuals actually exist. But Kinsey made this neat scale, because he was a nerd, and yeah you might be a straight-as-a-stick "1" (whether or not you like sports or receiving anal sex) or a flaming, Perez-Hilton Kinsey "6" (also whether or not you like sports or receiving anal sex) but most of us bitches (and I mean you) reside somewhere in the middle.

So in all seriousness, I blame Kinsey for making us all a bunch of almost-homos. Because when you look at the stereotypes that came up in this sex ed branding session, you see that when it comes down to it (and Jesus Christ I hope someone's coming from it) bi men and women are treated with equal disdain by pretty much everyone. But what Kinsey proved through scientific method and data is that bisexuality isn't just valid, it's normal.

But what was most interesting to me was that after the gay-for-pay column went live, conversations in comments and on other blogs exploded about whether the gay-for-pay porn stars were indeed straight (as they identify) or bisexual, if not by proxy of practice. People got really, really upset about the issue. I got a mean and nasty letter from a somewhat homophobic gay-for-pay porn performer, who may have in fact had a "semi" when he hit "send." Please email me again, douchebag. I do not have enough comedy in my inbox.

Two things happened this week to bring up a whole host of issues around bisexuality -- male bisexuality, to be specific. Not gay men, not straight men. Unicorns. You see, we have to recognize bisexuals, and by gender, because the whole wide world seems to think bisexuals in general are just "confused." Which is just as idiotic assumption as thinking all women are bi on some level and are just waiting for the chance to make out. Like Girls Gone Mild, "gay until graduation" college girls, and chicks who read too much Maxim and want to make their boyfriends keep them around a minute longer. All these assumptions undermine the yumminess of bisexuality -- and its validity as an orientation that people live and celebrate.

Are you one of those people who subscribes to that set of assumptions in the last paragraph? That girls are bi and it's a given, that women do it with other girls, but guys must be doing girls for some other reason than it might be their sexual orientation, and thinking that bi men are actually gay, or "fence sitters?" If so, by the way, sexual orientation isn't a choice. You: hey, straight dude reading this and about to leave a snarky comment -- did you wake up one day when you were 17 and choose to be straight?

Speaking of stereotypes, here's what happened: This week I posted images from a sex ed sexual orientation exercise I participated in where a large, diverse group called out cultural assumptions and stereotypes about straight, bisexual, and gay men and women, and it was all written on white paper, like a sex-branding brainstorming session. These images caused a lot of sighing and teeth-gnashing and even personal offense both in real life and when posted on my Flickr account and my blog. People who identify as these sexual orientations had strong reactions to the things they were supposedly being called.

The stereotypes were sometimes funny -- under "gay" it said 92.7 -- but it was not always pretty. At the "male bisexual" point in the exercise, things came up such as "disease vector," "faker," "guyliner," "transvestite," "manties," "guyliner," "really gay," "can't decide," and of course, "doesn't exist." The point of the exercise was not to get off on hurling epithets, but to expose and defuse our pervasive perceptions about gender and orientation.

Then, a few days later, my friend Rachel Kramer Bussel wrote a thought-provoking article in The Daily Beast, How Male Bisexuality Got Cool. In it, she examined the new Hollywood obsession with "bromance" -- okay, they've always been obsessed with it but now they're out of the closet about it. A "bromance," as displayed in such films as "Superbad" and "I Love You, Man," is where male relationships are emotionally charged and intimate, looking as much like romantic relationships as the interaction between two straight men can look -- without sex, "of course." And still not be bisexual.

Except, of course, the term itself was appropriated from gay culture and gay blogs who were for years commenting on buddy movies for glaring, heterosexually-framed homoerotic content long before it became a joke/not joke. Or as Nathan Barley might have framed it, bromance became a thing that stupid people think is funny and that smart people think is suddenly cool --while totally missing the point that everyone's being completely clueless f--king idiots about the value of sexual orientation.

Straight people think girls are "experimenting" and it's acceptable. When they grow up to be women and declare their real, true bisexuality everyone gets all uncomfortable and wishes they'd just hurry up and choose a side already. Lesbians call them traitors or want to convert or bag them (trust me on this one), while straight dudes think it's hot as long as he's not threatened he's going to be replaced by a woman with masculine traits.

Meanwhile, men who state their sexual orientation as bisexual are pretty much either totally invisible (they might as well be unicorns). One commenter on my blog wrote, "I too am fed up with these common stereotypes! I'm a bisexual man and I'm tired of people telling me that I'm non-existent." Or, they're treated like suspicious criminals to gays and straights who wish they just would get off the fence and be fags or stop being all icky with guys and make some babies (already.) As seen in the stereotypes and assumptions exercise, bi men are also perceived as liars, cheaters, and disease carriers. They're the sexual minority within the sexual minority. No one wants them. Except when it becomes trendy for a minute. This minute, actually.

No one believes in bisexuality but everyone loves to fake it. Knock it off, all right? None of you are going to get invited to the next SFGate staff party with that attitude. It's okay, they never invite me either. So I guess we're all cool then.

Then again, some people like perceptions and stereotypes to be so very dead wrong. Some bisexuals expressed in comments on the stereotypes exercise that it's satisfying to be underestimated, in a way.

It was interesting to see "Burning Man" turn up in both male and female bisexual assumption/stereotype charts. Coulda hit that dust-crusted target with my eyes closed. It was truly fascinating to see "father" come up in "straight male" but not in "gay male" and "soccer mom" in "straight female" but nothing mom-like in "lesbian."

Just don't ask me to explain "manties." But "guyliner," no problem.



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2009/04/23/violetblue0423.DTL#ixzz0yBV7FV6o

void()
Aug 31, 2010, 3:22 PM
"Fake bisexual women are out there.

There are also fake bisexual men.

They men who are really just gay men but who are not bisexual at all even if they claim that they are or think that they are because they're married to women but are really gay men."


Agreed, there are fake bisexuals. I don't care much for them. You can find a few here on the site. Sometimes you'll find guys that are straight but posing as bisexual. Apparently it's used as a ploy to get women in such cases. Of course, I'm sure there are equal amounts of straight women doing the same to get men.

Me? I can and do love a man and woman. Married to her and boyfriend to him. If society were the ideal of perfection, I'd marry him as well. Love them both equally, have sex with them both. I did not choose being this way. Sometimes I want to be with him, others with her. Urges and desires for each respectively tend to run equally. Been this way as long as I recall of life.

Yes, she knows and actually does approve. Her expression is that, "you need a boyfriend to keep from being so bitchy." Of course, she has boyfriends too. We both agree and accept no one person can fulfill another's needs one hundred percent of the time. We are also extremely careful and selective, private. I visit here and get a little release amongst like minds. Here I can be me and no one flinches or threatens to slaughter my wife and family, or me. No, we don't 'play together', at least not yet.

That's her decision and I respect it. I love her after all for her as she is wholly. And she loves me the same. My boyfriend loves me the same. He and she are at least friendly with one another. So far, I don't think they've begun to compare notes or swap recipes. I won't mind if they do. But for now, I think they are comfortable being friends sharing a love of their lives. And that's great! He's got no intentions of taking me away from her and i have no intentions of leaving her. We're alright as we are.

Well okay, I might like him to visit more frequently. But I'm aware he's got a life too and stays busy. Gee, and I don't? :) Our visits are sporadic but we enjoy them to the fullest. My wife laughs, "you guys are worse than two old nattering hens." My wife is like that, sadistic. I come home with bumps and bruises, she pokes, punches and asks if it hurts. My guy on the other hand is gentle and coddling. It balances out.

Bother, I've rambled on. I'll close now.

Cherokee_Mountaincat
Aug 31, 2010, 3:29 PM
lol Yes, we exist, we're here, and there's alot more of us than "normal polite society" realizes. :}
We're here, deal wif it! lol
Cat

void()
Aug 31, 2010, 3:45 PM
"lol Yes, we exist, we're here, and there's alot more of us than "normal polite society" realizes. :}
We're here, deal wif it! lol"



Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh .....

You know we aren't supposed to be [B]OUT LOUD![/B about it. Remember we got to hide our bisexual jumpsuits way back in the closets. No one must ever suspect. LOL

Back in the thirties they called queer guys odd fellows. Just one of those really useless pieces of crap factoids I picked up somewhere. Guess because I still think it's 1931, two years before the Feds raped everyone by taking away our gold and turning our currency over to worthless paper. *sighs* Too much polticks. How about some loony ticks? The moon is still made out cheese.

tenni
Aug 31, 2010, 4:05 PM
I wonder about this "bromance" concept?

Can straight guys not have a close friendship with other straight guys?

Women can but it seems that guys are not suppose to get close with other men...or someone might think that they are having sex. That seems sad to me and just promoting homophobe restrictions of hetero guys...if they don't want someone to think that they are gay..no close male friendships...don't spend too much time with another guy...only be with chics...???

Yes, we exist but I had difficulty identifying with the concepts that the writer was referring to. I don't care about supposed straight guys in gay porn and what they think...wtf.

void()
Aug 31, 2010, 5:18 PM
"Can straight guys not have a close friendship with other straight guys?"

I had a guy that was a friend most of my life. We shared nearly everything. We were accused of being a queer couple on more than one occasion. We were not that at all, just really close friends. I loved him as a friend, a "brother". He felt the same about me. I'm "brother's" with his real brother, too. My real brothers never bothered getting to know my friends. They weren't unsocial, just never knew 'em.

I finally came out to my lifelong friend as bisexual. He had no clue despite my obvious yet subtle hints all the while. His wife told him she knew me five minutes and knew, and she did. My friend is one of those good old country boy that's denser than a washtub full of mud sorts. Even poking it with a stick doesn't help.

So yes, I think guys can have close friendships. And no, I was never attracted to my friend, although I have been attracted to other friends. Some folks you're just friends with and that's all. He's one of those, even if we are close enough to merit being called a queer couple. And that never bothered us, never will. We know the truth of it.

Oh. Duh, you said straight guys, not a bi guy and a straight friend. Well, I act mostly straight. Unless you know me well enough, and even then you still might get surprised.

fredtyg
Aug 31, 2010, 5:59 PM
So yes, I think guys can have close friendships. And no, I was never attracted to my friend, although I have been attracted to other friends. Some folks you're just friends with and that's all.

Yep. I've had friends and acquaintances that I've no sexual interest at all in.

As an aside, I brought this up quite some time ago here but, for those that are new, there are the g0y guys (http://www.g0ys.org). That's spelled with a zero.

For those that aren't aware of them, they're guys that don't identify themselves as being gays or in the "gay movement". They detest drag queens and effeminate men.

They do believe in very close emotional relationships between men and those relationships can include sex. The relationship comes first, though, no cruising the parks and such and NO ANAL SEX. Oral sex and mutual jack off is fine if that's what the two guys want to do, but it's not necessary in the relationship.

Some of the stuff on their web site really turns me on, but I'm certainly not g0y if only because I enjoy both recreational and anal sex.

I do think it's neat that they push the deep male relationships, though. Makes it easier for guys to be close without everyone thinking they're queer.

tenni
Aug 31, 2010, 6:33 PM
Yep. I've had friends and acquaintances that I've no sexual interest at all in.

As an aside, I brought this up quite some time ago here but, for those that are new, there are the g0y guys (http://www.g0ys.org). That's spelled with a zero.

For those that aren't aware of them, they're guys that don't identify themselves as being gays or in the "gay movement". They detest drag queens and effeminate men.

They do believe in very close emotional relationships between men and those relationships can include sex. The relationship comes first, though, no cruising the parks and such and NO ANAL SEX. Oral sex and mutual jack off is fine if that's what the two guys want to do, but it's not necessary in the relationship.

Some of the stuff on their web site really turns me on, but I'm certainly not g0y if only because I enjoy both recreational and anal sex.

I do think it's neat that they push the deep male relationships, though. Makes it easier for guys to be close without everyone thinking they're queer.

Some gay guys that I've communicated with on websites seem to "hate" G0y. They see it as fake and a put down on gay men. I personally don't care but I don't see it necessarily a good group because they do seem a little too busy putting down other men who get into anal. Anal is not really for me either but the g0y websites seem derogatory.

fredtyg
Aug 31, 2010, 7:05 PM
but I don't see it necessarily a good group because they do seem a little too busy putting down other men who get into anal.

I'm a member of one of their Yahoo Groups and have seen some pretty nasty commentary on occasion there, but most of it is pretty pleasant. Some of the members seem bi, if not homo, from what I've seen posted there.

One of the worst times, though, was one of the guys going off on another poster because he approved of anal sex. The guy said he was a pervert and wanted him banned from the group. And I was a bit shocked to see one of the Yahoo Groups they linked to on their web site was a group that wanted to make anal sex against the law. I notice that Yahoo Group link is dead now, though.

Despite what I consider the flaws of the g0y, I figure any group that encourages sexual activity between men to be a good thing.

12voltman59
Aug 31, 2010, 9:28 PM
Reading articles like the one posted here does kinda bum me out---it does seem that as a bisexual--male and female alike--we are really are in a "no win situation" when it comes to the way that others both straight, gay and lesbian think of us.

I do think the author is correct in what he says about what most people think about bisexuality--especialy when it comes to bisexual males--while there is some acceptance of "chicks getting it on" to some degree--the idea of guys sharing intimacies is considered gross at best and of course at "worst"---faggotry to use an older term for male homosexuality.

As far as the GoY thing is concerned--I like their focus and promotion of close male relationships--but I too would not be welcomed by them since I happen to like anal too--I don't agree with their idea that it automatically is bad since it "feminizes the recipient"--to me--as long as receiving anal is totally consensual and it is entered into without hesitation and in recognition of the potential negative health aspects it can lead too---in that regard--it is sorta like drinking alcohol, smoking tobacco or eating fatty foods---as an adult--you have a right to make a decision for yourself as to whether you will do it or not and are willing to take the risks that such behavior might lead to.

I don't think that it is the place of those who call themselves "GoY" to make such a judgement about those who engage in anal sex for whatever reason.

I was never all that great a straight person since I didn't do like you are supposed to--get married early, have kids and all.

On the other hand, I knew that I could not be a "good gay" person either since I knew that with all the various "gay scenes" that I saw-there was no place for me to fit in there.

Very early on--I had come up with the thought that if two guys or gals were good and close friends--if they felt they wanted to--why should it be bad if they wanted to have intimate, sexual relations--they could not do so???

I think that believing this way is the essence of what it is to be bisexual. It is too bad that society still has such a negative attitude towards the concept that men can be intimate with other men, and even that women can be intimate with other females, but yet not be defined as being homosexual because they happened to have had such sex.

Perhaps one day---bisexuality will be considered a normal, natural and acceptable thing-and just because you have a relationship with someone of the same sex now--you cannot have a relationship with someone of the opposite sex at some point in the future-or vice versa. We can only hope I guess---sorry to say---it is better than it used to be--but such total acceptance seems to still be a long way off.