Is there a proper term [Archive]

bigregory

Mar 28, 2007, 11:39 PM

The word lesbian applies to women.
The word gay applies to men.
So you can have a gay woman but not a lesbian man.
Then there is the word homosexual.
Is that just for men?
This is the question my wife asked me.
And I could not answer her.
I do not care because im Bisexual.
Is there a distinct word other than gay/homosexual for the boys?
I want a word like lesbian for the guys,hell the girls can be gay/homo/lebian.
Anyone know the answer to this? :bipride:

FalconAngel

Mar 28, 2007, 11:52 PM

The word homosexual is just a medical term. It is Latin and refers to ALL people who have sexual/emotional relations with persons of the same gender.

HOMOSEXUAL has no specific gender bias.

Lesbian is used for women because of the Greek poetess Sappho, who resided on the Isle of Lesbos. She was a homosexual female, thus Lesbian is used to refer to homosexual females.

Does that help to clarify your quandry? :)

wanderingrichard

Mar 29, 2007, 1:28 AM

damn, greg, this sounds like a question to be put in front of the likes of LDD, JohnyV, sweet black angel, 12volt, and GL..let that in house brain trust chew on it for a while.. btw, i know there has to be, but it's beyond me..

oh, if you're a brainiac too, and i left ya out, no offense, i just listed the ones who came to mind 1st.... :grouphug:

spartca

Mar 29, 2007, 3:06 AM

Well lately fairy, fag, and queer have been popular amongst younger gay men. There are all kinds of slang as well, depending on your demographic...

Fire Lotus

Mar 29, 2007, 3:23 AM

Well lately fairy, fag, and queer have been popular amongst younger gay men.

Queer is also used among the gay/bi women.

spartca

Mar 29, 2007, 3:30 AM

Queer is also used among the gay/bi women.

I'm a bi man and I also use queer in queerspace. Bi seems to be more readily understood in straight space, without having to bring up Foucault etc. ;)

teamnoir

Mar 29, 2007, 3:38 AM

They're all just outdated political terms and it's not like you can really use the term "lesbian" for Sappho since she did have sex with and loved with men as well as women, and "lesbian" is a political term these days anyway.

I find it rather absurd that people take offense at being called homosexual, rather than gay when homosexual is simply a word that describes one's sexuality, and gay is very political and I wouldn't describe all homosexual men and women as being gay since a lot of them don't like the gay "community", the values of the gay "community", or the politics of the gay "community".

I know women who identify as lesbian yet who are married to men and have sex with only men.

Why do you want a word like lesbian for men? I see the term lesbian as being rather outdated, too inclusive, it's not a word that really applies to men, and I'd hate to be associated with such a political term like that of lesbian.

If you want other terms for bi why not just use fence sitter, queer, fence rider, AC/DC, and switch hitter?

Long Duck Dong

Mar 29, 2007, 3:52 AM

lol, a word like lesbian for men ???

how about....manosexual lol

originally gay referred to straight people that were unattached or unmarried until about the 1960'S

I don't use the word * gueer * to define people, as queer means, odd, wierd, unnatural etc, but thats a personal thing, it doesn't make other users of the word, wrong or offensive

teamnoir

Mar 29, 2007, 3:53 AM

I'm a bi man and I also use queer in queerspace. Bi seems to be more readily understood in straight space, without having to bring up Foucault etc. ;)

Ugh not Foucault.

NOBODY should be subjected to the theories/philosophies of that man outside the ivory tower of Academia.

Most people will be turned off if you spout acadmeic postmodern BS, the mental masturbation and silliness of postmodern theory/philosophy, or the ideas of Academic queer theory to them, even if they are GLBT themselves.

teamnoir

Mar 29, 2007, 3:57 AM

I'm a bi man and I also use queer in queerspace. Bi seems to be more readily understood in straight space, without having to bring up Foucault etc. ;)

Ugh not Foucault.

NOBODY should be subjected to the theories/philosophies of that man outside the ivory tower of Academia.

Most people will be turned off if you spout acadmeic postmodern bullshit, the mental masturbation and silliness of postmodern theory/philosophy, or the ideas of Academic queer theory to them, even if they are GLBT themselves.

spartca

Mar 29, 2007, 3:59 AM

You know I just saw an old talk show debate between Chomsky and Foucault on YouTube, and boy does Chomsky look like a whining liberal in comparison. I think Foucault rocks, and the reason why most people don't like him is that he really does question the foundation of our society. Which, considering how marginalized bisexuals are in the mainstream, could be a good thing for us. All I am saying, is give peace, er... Foucault a chance! ;)

yoyo4u

Mar 29, 2007, 1:13 PM

......how about....manosexual lol....

how about "lesy", or "gaybian"?

I think these ambiguous new terms would cater for the finicky, yet descriptive enough amongst likeminded (ie. bisexual circle)
:tongue:

yoyo

DanyGirl

Mar 29, 2007, 7:47 PM

That is interesting that you posted this as I had some similar thoughts about the language of sexuality earlier today. I personally do not like the terms "homosexual" or even really "bisexual" as these come off to me as very clinical, sterile, textbook. As something to be studied rather than diverse, emotional and relational people to just be. I also feel the term "homosexual" especially, has an uber politically correct feel that under the guise of non-offense permits disconnection and distance between straight and alternative sexual-orientation identified populations. I embrace the words gay and lesbian as to me, political implications aside, these words bring to mind human qualities and human beings. I would like also to have such beautiful words to describe my sexual orientation.

noostoo

Mar 29, 2007, 8:20 PM

I've decided to use queer meaning "not hetero" to describe myself - keeps the gay boys happy and I know what I'm talking about ;)

bigregory

Mar 29, 2007, 9:57 PM

I like Gaybian
:male: GAYBIAN PRIDE :male:
Power to the MANOSEXUALS :)

Long Duck Dong

Mar 29, 2007, 10:12 PM

mmm gaybian.....lol

yeah i guess that in some respects I slide between gay/ bi / and male lesbian.....guess that gaybian is actually a good word

Delilah

Mar 29, 2007, 10:15 PM

I'm a transsexual. On the internet, porn industry, and prostitution businss, they use the key word: She Male
That word makes me want to puke. Even though I would be classified as a She-male, I really hate that word.

Long Duck Dong

Mar 29, 2007, 10:28 PM

I am not sure how I feel about the word she male.....

if i was using it as a act of brief defining, then I suppose I would refer to a person as a she male if I was unsure of the persons true nature ( midway thru transition or doing the hormone treatment but not the surgery )

i suppose in some aspect, I would not use the word, as it would be offensive
( thats a she male over there, omg look at the she male etc )

honestly, if the person wanted to be called a she male, I would oblige but its not a term I would perfer to use, it doesn't feel user friendly to me

12voltman59

Mar 29, 2007, 11:35 PM

Thanks Richard for putting me in your category of "Brain Trust'--that kind of reminds me of the closing minutes of a favorite film---"O Brother Where Art Thou?' when the governor character, played by Charles Durning, makes the "Foggy Bottom Boys" his "brain trust" :tongue: :tongue: :tong: :tong:

As far as this subject is concerned--I will leave it to people with more experience in this area---since I have to admit---this is new territory for me!!!!

So I will kick back--read what others have to say and contemplate this one.....

zyzygy

Mar 30, 2007, 3:08 AM

Lesbian is used for women because of the Greek poetess Sappho, who resided on the Isle of Lesbos.

A story is told of the late Queen Mother (that is mother of the current British queen) who was well known to have a gay coterie around her. Her Maj was introduced to the new Greek Orthodox bishop of Britain and by way of making conversation asked "Are you from Athens".

Apparently HM had great trouble keeping a straight face when this large, black clad and bearded bishop replied, "No, actually I'm a Lesbian"

Solomon

Mar 30, 2007, 5:35 AM

ok, got it according to my calculations the proper term would be.... bob

yoyo4u

Mar 30, 2007, 12:48 PM

I like Gaybian
:male: GAYBIAN PRIDE :male:
Power to the MANOSEXUALS :)

Thanx!

I think we need to support the new term with a Logo, so I created one.

Let me know if I need to adjust it, or if you like it!

yoyo
:)

PS. I think it could be easily turned into a badge, button, or bumper sticker?

Cerealk

Mar 30, 2007, 2:13 PM

I really like that logo! As for labels... I think the easiest for me here is to call myself bisexual, since that would bring the "best" understanding of others about what it is for me.

flexuality

Mar 31, 2007, 1:57 AM

Thanx!

I think we need to support the new term with a Logo, so I created one.

Let me know if I need to adjust it, or if you like it!

yoyo
:)

PS. I think it could be easily turned into a badge, button, or bumper sticker?

That looks kewl! :)

biwords

Mar 31, 2007, 2:21 AM

teamnoir

Mar 31, 2007, 5:54 PM

Foucault actually believed that in the Middle Ages mad people were put on ships and pushed out to sea. He didn't realize that the poems describing such events were satires, in which the 'ship' was society and the mad people were, well, all of us. That was enough to destroy Foucault's credibility in my eyes. But if he 'questioned the basis of our society' in an interesting way, would be interested to hear about it. Just don't ask me to read his dreary prose again, please!~
Yeah I don't see any credibility in him.

There's a famous quote by him that says "Even Foucault doesn't understand Foucault!" LMAO

WTF is a male lesbian? I find the term to be degrading to actual lesbians and one that is silly since unless a guy is trans and attracted to women only, I don't see a man being a lesbian.

12voltman59

Mar 31, 2007, 6:48 PM

I like that logo--it is very cool---initially people would have to stop to look at it and maybe--just maybe--actually think about what the logo is trying to convey!!!!

yoyo4u

Apr 1, 2007, 2:34 AM

...... people would have to stop to look .......

Highvolty!

I am glad I made you stop and look!

...and since I did, please look at some of my other creations on little clown (http://main.bisexual.com/forum/member.php?u=36462)'s website (http://home.planet.nl/~chrysalis/bigraphics_others.html) too.

yoyo
:cool:

teamnoir

Apr 2, 2007, 1:47 AM

I found this on a site and thought it was rather fitting for the term....

male lesbian

Some guy who thinks that being turned on by women kissing and grossed out by penises makes him a lesbian, apparently missing the fact that he's male. Male lesbians usually talk about how they're male lesbians all the time and expect actual lesbian/bi women to think this is awesome.

Guy: I'm a male lesbian!
Lesbian: What?
Guy: Because I'm attracted to women, so I'd be a lesbian if I weren't a dude!
Lesbian: ...again, what?
Guy: Don't you think it's cool that I admire lesbians so much?
Lesbian: No. Go away.